[Sister Sobala] said we can instead model our transitions on Jesus, who throughout his life grew in awareness of who he was and what he was to do.
"The life of Jesus was a series of transitions," Sister Sobala remarked.
Sometimes transitions were not of his own making, Sister Sobala noted, including the time when a Phoenician woman from Syria, who asked for a miracle for her daughter, taught him to serve Gentiles as well as Jews. In another instance of a transformation, she said Jesus learned from Mary, his mother, to be accepting and flexible after Mary called on him to perform a miracle at the wedding at Cana.
In other instances, Jesus played the main role in transforming his life and the lives of others. Sister Sobala said one example of this was when he directed his Apostles to feed the multitudes with the few loaves and fishes that they had.
She said Jesus knew by the end of his life that he was loved by God, and he was able to share that love even as he was tormented. She said young adults should take away the lesson from Scripture that they are loved by God, no matter what happens.
Paragraphs 473 and 474 of the Catechism of the Catholic Church deal with Jesus' awareness of his divine nature. It is interesting to contrast the highlighted quotes above with this authentic Church teaching:
473 But at the same time, this truly human knowledge of God's Son expressed the divine life of his person. "The human nature of God's Son, not by itself but by its union with the Word, knew and showed forth in itself everything that pertains to God." Such is first of all the case with the intimate and immediate knowledge that the Son of God made man has of his Father. The Son in his human knowledge also showed the divine penetration he had into the secret thoughts of human hearts.
474 By its union to the divine wisdom in the person of the Word incarnate, Christ enjoyed in his human knowledge the fullness of understanding of the eternal plans he had come to reveal. What he admitted to not knowing in this area, he elsewhere declared himself not sent to reveal.
Thursday, August 07, 2008
Father Joan on Brother Jesus
Mike at DOR Catholic has a alerts us to a recent talk by Sister Joan Sobala, a.k.a., "Father Joan," at a Rochester Theology on Tap session. As many of you know, this past June Bishop Clark appointed Sobala to administer, i.e., run, the hitherto tradition-friendly St. Anne's of Rochester, some of whose parishioners I spotted last Sunday at the last such parish, Our Lady of Victory/St. Joseph. Since Sobala likes to deliver homilies, the nuggets of wisdom Mike highlights are likely to be heard from the lectern by what's left of St. Anne's parishioners.
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Behold the fruit of faux-sophisticated, sloppy Scriptural exegesis!
I don't think this is only sloppy. This is an exigesis deliberately slanted to minimize the divinity of Christ. In doing so they also can minimize the divine foundation of the Church and reduce it to being only a human institution which developed only according to natural human historical forces, which is determined by political, cultural, and social forces, which can be understood by Marxist analysis or by feminist analysis, and which therefore can be manipulated by power politics and gender politics. (Thus the idea that the womynpriest movement can force the church eventually to give in and ordain women.)
Susan Peterson
This is just repeating what she was taught in theology classes and workshops. I suppose you can say she shouldn't have bought it; but it's nothing I haven't heard from priests in magazine articles.
What was that thing the eunuch said? "How can I understand it unless someone teaches me?"
Heresy:(
I agree with Susan, it's a diliberate attempt to undermine Church on Joan's part.
The assured results of what she heard some guy said about somebody else's exegesis at a seminar once.
So if Jesus "learned" all these things from other people, why is it so hard for these idjits to also learn from the people Jesus taught?
It's also the triumph of the trendy. Some people are charmed by a "new" interpretation, and love only what is different from what has always been taught. That kind of person can hear orthodox theology every day and not care. She should not be allowed to teach.
Where is Deacon Payne when you need him?
http://www.youtube.com/
watch?v=wkO40uHGZUo
If that link doesn't work search for "Deacon Payne."
"We need to have some flexibility in our lives, in our thinking," Sister Sobala said.
This proves the hypocrisy that exudes from this woman.
At Saint Anne's, there is NO flexibility evident, in ANY form.
Those poor unsuspecting listeners, were led to believe that she is a renaissance woman.
She is emotionally disturbed, is what she is. Even to the point of Narcissicism.
Why was she even given the permission to be a speaker in this program, anyway?
Once again...It's not WHAT you know...it's WHO you know.
She thinks she can be Mary to all the priests, deacons, acolytes, seminarians, and every male who is honored to occupy the altar with HER.
One good thing.....this cannot go on forever. Something has to give, hopefully sooner than later.
Sometimes it seems that what has to give in the Diocese of Rochester is the complete collapse of the hierarchy, followed by missionizing from, say, Atlanta or Denver.
I figure the next bishop will have to flat out BEG religious orders to come in and help.
I figure the next bishop will have to flat out BEG religious orders to come in and help.
I think there's a real question as to whether it's viable as a diocese any longer. Unless I'm mistaken, there are no men in formation for the priesthood, the schools are all but gone (there's only one in the city proper), and something like a third of the parishes have closed. It might make sense to absorb it into a future Diocese of Syracuse-Rochester (or Buffalo-Rochester) and be done with it in 2012. An ignominious end, but a fitting capstone to perhaps the most disastrous episcopate in the history of the Church in America.
Along with the troubled diocese, Saint Anne's is collapsing, too. There now is no cantor, no organist, the DRE quit, and the attendance and collection are down in numbers. Even the "split club" which paid off on average of over 50 dollars a week, was last reported at 27 and some odd change.
Last year, under the interim leadership of Father Peter Abas, (the administrator while Pastor William Leone was in Kosovo, Bosnia serving as Chaplain for the National Guard) the CMA reached 108% of it's goal. At Our Lady of Lourdes, last year, under the anarchy of Joan Sobala, the CMA only reached 65% of its goal.
Is this a no brainer, or what? Everything she touches turns to...... (YOU fill in the blank.)
At least we know that there are a few things that she and the Bishop have in common. They both like to sit back and watch innocent bystanders suffer from bad decisions, and biases on their part.
They undoubtedly both suffer greatly from a lack of conscience which leads to indiscretionary behavior, the love of creating controversy, and reliance on abnormal thought processes to guide them, in their administrative duties.
I saw a church on my way home from work today, which sparked some interest. It is called the Holy Name of Mary Church and they offer a traditional Latin Mass at 8:30 AM each and every Sunday. It is on Browncroft and Winton in Rochester.
I wonder how long it will be until the diocese gets a hold of THIS church and "renovates" IT, too!
Sounds like another job for the Super Nun....(oooops...I meant HUN).
Peace and tranquility to you all on this chilly weekend.
Sad, very sad. Let us place Saint Anne's parish under the protection of Saint Michael and the maternal care of Our Lady Queen of Angels, and of course the parish patron, Saint Anne. May their powerful intercession before the throne of Almighty God liberate the parish from any and all harm. May Sister Joan come to her senses and become a help rather than a hindrance to the growth and well being of the local Church. Lord Jesus, hear our prayer.
Click here for a map without Rochester.
Rich, don't give up on Rochester yet. There's at least one in pre-seminary and some (unknown number) to follow. Besides dividing the diocese between Buffalo and Syracuse won't address the dissent.
Avoid Holy Name of Mary...that parish is not in communion with Rome, as it is Sedevacantist. St Stanislaus, Our Lady of Victory, St Josaphat, or St Nicholas the Wonderworker are all viable options.
Thanks, anon. 4:12. I'm aware of OLV and St. Stanislaus, but not the others.
Dear Mary Kay,
It actually might. Or, at least, remove the dissenters from the windows. The bishops of Buffalo, Rochester, and Syracuse will retire in the next five years. (+Moynihan is actually past retirement age.) So, if Rochester is suppressed and its territory divided, and orthodox bishops are appointed, then orthodoxy may have a chance to prevail. (Of course, it always does, eh?)
bro. ajk, for reasons I won't go into here, the need is for a bishop who is phyisically present in the city. Suppressing the Rochester diocese won't do that.
Admittedly, I am not well versed in the Bible, however I've heard this argument before about the Phoenecian woman making Jesus aware that he came to save all people (not just the favored people of God - the Jews) and it makes sense to me. Obviously, it is incorrect, but can someone explain to me how one is to interpret this interaction between Jesus and this woman? It certainly seems that her reaction to him is what convinces him to help her (and if that is the case, then it does make sense that he would sort of be woken up to the fact that this woman - as well as all people like this woman - need his help as well). I believe what the Catholic Church teaches and know that Jesus was aware of his mission, though we are talking about His human knowledge (which is limited, right?). Help, please.
Here are some comments on this way of reading the passage from a conservative Anglican blog:
http://www.standfirminfaith.com/index.php/site/article/15539/#268415
Susan Peterson
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